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we've seen him give strong speeches. a agree waits interesting that the president seemed to almost take issue with the fact that he was being challenged so directly by governor romney and these are challenges he's not used to hearing. he's not hearing from zpaf doesn't hear them from the white house press corps. governor romney taking every shot and answering it, and then, turning quickly and i think president obama didn't expect that level of challenge. >> greta: byron, what was it like in the spin room sf president's people representing him? >> this is actually fascinated. seconds after it ended the room was flooded with romney advisors just dashed in and eager to talk about the performance. so several minutes passed and are there democrats around here? there don't seem to be any. after a wall top official dz come in to talk but they were having a little bit of daifl time defending the president one more thing i thought was fascinating i asked both the obama campaign made a huge deal of mitt romney's 47 remark. the pre
we've seen him give strong speeches. a agree waits interesting that the president seemed to almost take issue with the fact that he was being challenged so directly by governor romney and these are challenges he's not used to hearing. he's not hearing from zpaf doesn't hear them from the white house press corps. governor romney taking every shot and answering it, and then, turning quickly and i think president obama didn't expect that level of challenge. >> greta: byron, what was it like...
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here with us to help break down governor romney's speech is former ambassador to the united nations, john bolton. ambassador, welcome back, sir. >> glad to be with you. >> sean: all right. so the white house pushed mubarak out, had no idea the muslim brotherhood would take over. they lied to us about libya. new evidence coming out today that ambassador stevens was begging for his security team to stay on. they didn't grant him that assistance, that help. the president spiking the football when it comes to bin laden, but didn't support the policies that led to the intelligence that allowed him to make that decision. where do you think things are going here? how bad is this obama doctrine, if you will? >> i think things are going in the wrong direction. i think they're directly attributable in the middle east to the decline of american influence, which is a policy that the obama administration has pursued quite consciously, and we're now seeing the effects of it. the examples you give, the determination to withdraw from afghanistan on a fixed timetable that's basically turning the coun
here with us to help break down governor romney's speech is former ambassador to the united nations, john bolton. ambassador, welcome back, sir. >> glad to be with you. >> sean: all right. so the white house pushed mubarak out, had no idea the muslim brotherhood would take over. they lied to us about libya. new evidence coming out today that ambassador stevens was begging for his security team to stay on. they didn't grant him that assistance, that help. the president spiking the...
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speech. this race is about whether or not our country will continue toward totalitarianism with the presidency that has made so much worse under both the bush and the obama administrations, which have shown content for the rule of law, due process, and restrict -- such contempt for the rule of law, due process, and restrictions on the u.n. is its constitutional. we must say no to assassinations of u.s. citizens, say no to indefinite detention without any semblance of due process, and to the continued drone killings that have made our nation so much less secure. so let your voices be heard loudly from the voting booth as you are guided by your most deeply held values. >> the justice party's presidential candidate rocky anderson and green party candidate dr. jill stein, as a participated in the presidential debate last night in real time averell podiums, albeit outside the gates of the official debate on "democracy now!" special broadcast "expanding debates time to see the three hour debate, go
speech. this race is about whether or not our country will continue toward totalitarianism with the presidency that has made so much worse under both the bush and the obama administrations, which have shown content for the rule of law, due process, and restrict -- such contempt for the rule of law, due process, and restrictions on the u.n. is its constitutional. we must say no to assassinations of u.s. citizens, say no to indefinite detention without any semblance of due process, and to the...
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is doing a speech on monday on foreign policy. the think that what they are opening on that? >> there will be an entire foreign policy debate to have this discussion. will have that discussion in the debate. it is going to be a close race. we have said that from the very first day. we will go on campaigning in the next debate. he has a clear vision of where he wants to take this country. this audit testing mitt romney continue to try to. -- defend his positions. but steady thing won the debate? >> i think the president won the debate, clearly. the economy, taxes, jobs, medicare. governor romney continues to be on the defense. the president was calm it was friendly, and romney was testy. our job was to lay out a very clear vision about the difference between us and mitt romney. that is what we did tonight. whether you want to give us stock. for doing that or not, that is not important. you are sitting out there on your couch in charlotte or denver. >> [indiscernible] >> i don't think there is a defense to it. what's what do you thi
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one year ago, mitt romney gave a speech at the citadel on foreign policy. it was billed and marketed as a huge speech. he will tell us how he would make the world a better place, how he would do things differently. and there wasn't a lot of meat there. once again, mitt romney had 23 minutes, he used 23 minutes, i counted them. and he basically said nothing. i agree with the president that we -- let's just get tougher with iran. we need to arm the rebels in syria, use third parties to help advance our case. he made some mistakes and blunders, of course. one mistake is that he said, this president's done nothing on free trade agreements. i guess south korea and panama, colombia -- >> didn't count for him. >> but overall, mitt romney is trying to prove -- this is his whole argument, that republicans are tougher when it comes to foreign policy. you know what? that's the old playbook. there's a new playbook because there's a new sheriff in town and that's barack obama. >> i think this was a real step backwards. last week he created an opening of how serious are
one year ago, mitt romney gave a speech at the citadel on foreign policy. it was billed and marketed as a huge speech. he will tell us how he would make the world a better place, how he would do things differently. and there wasn't a lot of meat there. once again, mitt romney had 23 minutes, he used 23 minutes, i counted them. and he basically said nothing. i agree with the president that we -- let's just get tougher with iran. we need to arm the rebels in syria, use third parties to help...
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romney will give a major foreign policy speech . he will give the address in virginia. romney is critical of the president's foreign policy . he will focus on the terror attack in benghazi. a lot of folks critized the obama administration about how it respond changed stories. president obama considered putting bin laden on trial. president obama planned to hold a criminal trial in federal court if bin laden was captured and not killed in the daring navy seal raid . he apparently felt due process and rule of law would be the best weapon against al-qaida and contradicts many advisors opposed the raid. >> it is back to the bargaining table and american airlines resuming the stalled negotiations with the pilot's union. >> we had seats come loose. it is a hazard later in flight. >> yeah, it could have been messy there. >> yesterday a plane's landing gear, warning lights jammed after taking off from dallas. the plane headed to st. louis and had to make an emergency landing in texas. no one was hurt. >> $127,000 worth of jewelry swiped from the new york city brownstone of actr
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>> first of all, they were out with a prebuttal before the speech, before romney gave the speech, they had an ad slamming governor romney for past missteps in his foreign policy campaign messaging. take a look at a bit of the ad. >> when our u.s. diplomats were attacked in libya, the new york times said romney's knee jerk response showed an extraordinary lack of presidential character. and even republican experts said romney's remarks were the worst possible reaction to what happened. if this is how -- >> so they obviously do not want to give him an opening to get an edge on this issue. after romney's speech, former secretary of state madeleine albright underscored the obama campaign's message in a conference call with reporters. she said that she is a teacher and if romney had turned in the op-ed he had written in the wall street journal last week, on the middle east, she would have given him a c, because it was so light on specifics. >> okay. big picture, jessica yellin, the president pretty much talked all kinds of pundits on either side bombed last wednesday, speaking in denver. wh
>> first of all, they were out with a prebuttal before the speech, before romney gave the speech, they had an ad slamming governor romney for past missteps in his foreign policy campaign messaging. take a look at a bit of the ad. >> when our u.s. diplomats were attacked in libya, the new york times said romney's knee jerk response showed an extraordinary lack of presidential character. and even republican experts said romney's remarks were the worst possible reaction to what...
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what was interesting to me is the speech, the speech writers, mitt romney tried to in effect write obama out of the main stream of bipartisan foreign policy thought in the last 50 years. they did that effectively. the most important argue in the the speech from my point of view is that the passivity we have shown in response to what happened in libya is prism on which we can, through which we can look at the entirety of barack obama's foreign policy measure. of refusal to step forward and lead in a way that has been the american tradition. >> the speech as message device is good for romney. terrific debater. good at giving speeches. not so great on the stump. i do think he should have done it sooner. >> it shows swing voters february you don't put any meat on the bone of your policy plans that it looks like you are. while i agree with the criticism that, you know, iran is closer to a nuclear program the middle east is deteriorating. al-qaeda remains strong. syria is a de stating disaster. i actually don't think he really you drew a contrast how he would get us out of the situation. to sa
what was interesting to me is the speech, the speech writers, mitt romney tried to in effect write obama out of the main stream of bipartisan foreign policy thought in the last 50 years. they did that effectively. the most important argue in the the speech from my point of view is that the passivity we have shown in response to what happened in libya is prism on which we can, through which we can look at the entirety of barack obama's foreign policy measure. of refusal to step forward and lead...
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democratic convention and more than 30 million governor romney's acceptance speech. but lots of people watching tonight may have already cast their ballots. early voting is underway in 10 states including the battleground of ohio. we have team fox coverage tonight. ed henry traveling with the president. first to campaign carl cammeron with the romney camp. carl, this is his big night. what's the thinking about the mood in that campaign? >> well, they kept mr. romney under wraps today in order to keep him focused. he had a very brief meeting with his senior staff and great deal today was actually spent with his staff. they don't want to leave it in the locker room they want him to come out and bring best game this evening. they are quite confident about it by virtue stepping on to the stage tonight as the challenger, mitt romney has the most to gain. they fully expect by virtue of standing next to the president there could be a bounce in the polls as a consequence of that. having said all of they're, the race to lower's examines appears to have been won by mr. rom any
democratic convention and more than 30 million governor romney's acceptance speech. but lots of people watching tonight may have already cast their ballots. early voting is underway in 10 states including the battleground of ohio. we have team fox coverage tonight. ed henry traveling with the president. first to campaign carl cammeron with the romney camp. carl, this is his big night. what's the thinking about the mood in that campaign? >> well, they kept mr. romney under wraps today in...
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awaiting a foreign policy speech by romney. this is a brand-new hour of america's live on a monday, columbus day. how are you doing? >> i'm patti ann brown in for martha maccallum today. the governor begins in an hour. his remarks range from hopes for peace in the middle east to suspect things about the attack on 9/11 in libya. he says, the attacks on libya should not be seen as random acts. they are attacks that are playing out across the broader middle east. bill: he says i believe america does not lead others will follow. i think what that goes to is the power vacuum that is now open for moscow or beijing, or perhaps a fundamentalist group to fill that power vacuum. and all the hot spots that pop up around the world, how do you think governor romney can make that case? >> i think he can make a reasonable argument there. i've read the excerpts of the speech made available and they seem to be effective language to criticize the administration on a number of points and create a contrast, not only on things like the response in
awaiting a foreign policy speech by romney. this is a brand-new hour of america's live on a monday, columbus day. how are you doing? >> i'm patti ann brown in for martha maccallum today. the governor begins in an hour. his remarks range from hopes for peace in the middle east to suspect things about the attack on 9/11 in libya. he says, the attacks on libya should not be seen as random acts. they are attacks that are playing out across the broader middle east. bill: he says i believe...
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they'll all be here and how does romney's speech set the stage for the vice presidential debate this thursday between joe biden and paul ryan in kentucky? this is a must see hour coming up. rembrandt® deeply white™ 2 hour whitening kit is proven to quickly remove surface stains and deep stains in just two hours. [ female announcer ] rembrandt® deeply white™: whiten in just 2 hours. begins with back pain and a choice. take advil, and maybe have to take up to four in a day. or take aleve, which can relieve pain all day with just two pills. good eye. >>> good morning, everybody. i'm thomas roberts. developing news topping the news to. we are awaiting a major foreign policy address from mitt romney. scheduled to begin within just 20 minutes from now. with less than a month to go until the election, romney gives the speechit
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as i mentioned, president obama's team was responding to governor remain knee's speech -- romney's speech before he gave it. after he spoke, a spokeswoman for the president said, this is somebody who leads with chest pounding rhetoric. he is inexperienced and the american people have serious questions about whether he's prepared to be commander in chief. team fox coverage continues. ed envy with the president in california. we're hearing from the president himself, ed. >> that's right. bring it on. that was the simple response from the president's campaign spokesman in chicago who says the president believes he has a strong record on foreign policy. he welcomes this debate and, in fact, last night in a fund-raiser here in california, the president laid out his record and said it's pretty good. >> four years ago i told you i'd end the war in iraq and we did. [ cheers and applause ] i said i'd end the war in afghanistan. we are. [ cheers and applause ] i said we'd focus on the people who actually attacked us on 9-11 and today osama bin laden is no more. >> now, pretty interesting turn of ev
as i mentioned, president obama's team was responding to governor remain knee's speech -- romney's speech before he gave it. after he spoke, a spokeswoman for the president said, this is somebody who leads with chest pounding rhetoric. he is inexperienced and the american people have serious questions about whether he's prepared to be commander in chief. team fox coverage continues. ed envy with the president in california. we're hearing from the president himself, ed. >> that's right....
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and foreign policy is set to make a campaign comeback with mitt romney delivering a major speech on monday and republicans holding hearings in washington on wednesday on last month's deadly attack in libya.
and foreign policy is set to make a campaign comeback with mitt romney delivering a major speech on monday and republicans holding hearings in washington on wednesday on last month's deadly attack in libya.
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it's not pretty. >> have you been writing some of mitt romney's speeches? because i tell what you, that's beginning to sound like it. joy, i have to go on with mr. hubbard because he doesn't just stop on the slavery stuff. he really goes for it. another quote, the blacks who could endure those conditions would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation upon the face of the earth. >> yeah. >> why doesn't mitt romney junk the dream act and go for slavery as a mechanism for citizenship since this is exactly what mr. hubbard is recommending? >> well, you know what? the really disturbing thing is i think if mitt romney thought that was a path to get him, as he puts it, the 51% he needs to become president, he might actually kind of go for it. >> you don't mean that seriously. >> no, i don't mean that seriously. the problem with this, of course, is you have a republican base that's so far to the right that they don't like to hear things like science. they are against things like that because they feel that they are conspiring against their moral
it's not pretty. >> have you been writing some of mitt romney's speeches? because i tell what you, that's beginning to sound like it. joy, i have to go on with mr. hubbard because he doesn't just stop on the slavery stuff. he really goes for it. another quote, the blacks who could endure those conditions would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation upon the face of the earth. >> yeah. >> why doesn't mitt romney junk the dream act and go for slavery as a...
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mitt romney's speech in apopca florida could have won him the pulitzer prize for fiction. >> i think that is cheesy. 70 million people watched the debate. the fact is mitt romney made his case pretty strongly and did not actually misrepresent his positions on issues. and i think that mets will say that and i think -- i think that mitt romney will say that and i think paul ryan will say that strongly on thursday night. >> geraldo: up next, joe arpaio. he has won five times in a row. can he win a sixth? he's next. follow the wings. >>> we lived in the same neighborhood. when said he would walk me home i thought i would be safe but then he just tackled me. i got' way from him and i ran and i hid but he found me. he threw me to the ground. i pulled down my pants and he arpaioo scream but -- sheriff why didn't you do something? >> love him or hate him, joe arpaio is being slandered by the attack ad that said he ignored hundreds of sex crimes to pursue you his political agenda. everybody agrees that the ad is not factually, correct. joe, they are pulling out all of the stops. >> yeah. they
mitt romney's speech in apopca florida could have won him the pulitzer prize for fiction. >> i think that is cheesy. 70 million people watched the debate. the fact is mitt romney made his case pretty strongly and did not actually misrepresent his positions on issues. and i think that mets will say that and i think -- i think that mitt romney will say that and i think paul ryan will say that strongly on thursday night. >> geraldo: up next, joe arpaio. he has won five times in a row....
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governor romney returned to it in his speech today. it adds to the sense in the general just of disquiet. if so many good things are supposedly happening in the middle east, why did this happen. so when bad things happen on your watch you're always blamed, fair or not. in this case the administration was slow to respond. the initial response talked about the video, seemed to almost want to go out of its way to deny the reality of terrorism. so, yeah, i think they've left themselves a little bit vulnerable but i wouldn't exaggerate it. these investigations are going to take a while to play out. but it is just a sense that, you know, it's one of the many reasons why the furnace brook parkway arab spring ought to be banned. >> rose: david? >> yeah, i think that's right and i think that the administration recognizes now that they reacted far too slowly. but i thought what was one of the strongest parts of the romney speech today was trying to put the killing of the ambassador and the three other americans in a broader context of saying, lo
governor romney returned to it in his speech today. it adds to the sense in the general just of disquiet. if so many good things are supposedly happening in the middle east, why did this happen. so when bad things happen on your watch you're always blamed, fair or not. in this case the administration was slow to respond. the initial response talked about the video, seemed to almost want to go out of its way to deny the reality of terrorism. so, yeah, i think they've left themselves a little bit...
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you know, that was a speech widely reported on by the media at the time. at least this obama thing was. >> joe johns, thank you. i want to just kind of continue the conversation, give it a little context with howard kurtz, the host of cnn's "reliable sources," washington bureau chief, just on the phone with me from denver. howard, the speech is being billed as if no one covered it at the time. we have pulled multiple clips, cnn clips from 2007, from our archives, let me just play that. >> democratic presidential candidate senator barack obama suggesting there is disconnect and a serious disconnect in the african-american community and he's invoking the memory of the dely 1992 los angeles riots. >> these quiet riots that take place every day. >> a new controversy involving democratic presidential candidate barack obama, have you heard his warning about quiet riots? >> quiet riots that take place every day. >> so why, howard, why pretend this is newly uncovered when it is so easy to disprove? >> brooke, it is the mainstream media trying to cover up the 2007
you know, that was a speech widely reported on by the media at the time. at least this obama thing was. >> joe johns, thank you. i want to just kind of continue the conversation, give it a little context with howard kurtz, the host of cnn's "reliable sources," washington bureau chief, just on the phone with me from denver. howard, the speech is being billed as if no one covered it at the time. we have pulled multiple clips, cnn clips from 2007, from our archives, let me just...
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we may hear romney criticize the president over last month's killing of the u.s. ambassador to libya. >> we face a time when there is item u tumult in the middle east and other parts of america and people are asking, where is the president? president obama is in another crucial swing state, ohio. both candidates will profile seizure gats this week. former president clinton teams up with mr. obama at a fundraiser tonight in california. two days later, clinton campaigns for the president in another battleground, nevada. >> mitt is up to the task. he's prepared. >> romney's wife ann goes in front of cameras wednesday morning when she's a special co-host on abc's "good morning, america." but the highlight of the week is this week's vice presidential debate. both are preparing for their own showdown which takes place thursday in danville, kentucky. >> i'm looking forward to it, i really am. the thing about congressman ryan is he's been straightfwoorward to now about all the significant changes he wants to make. we have a fundamentally different view on a whole range of
we may hear romney criticize the president over last month's killing of the u.s. ambassador to libya. >> we face a time when there is item u tumult in the middle east and other parts of america and people are asking, where is the president? president obama is in another crucial swing state, ohio. both candidates will profile seizure gats this week. former president clinton teams up with mr. obama at a fundraiser tonight in california. two days later, clinton campaigns for the president in...
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in a very smart analysis, npr pointed out romney has a five point stump speech. the first four points are actually identical to obama's stump speech. two, domestic energy, three, retraining programs, four, domestic. -- deficit reduction. on five they differ. i've long argued that romney is an intelligent man trapped in a party that has forced him to embrace extreme and impossible positions. one of his advisers had predict thad once the republican primaries were over, romney would erase the image from the primaries and like an etch a sketch just draw a new one. well, he appears to be doing just that. the republican party might hate obama enough and be frustrated enough to let him wink and let him do it. if so he faces something far more challenging than a good debate never the last weeks of the campaign. he faces a moderate republican. let's get started. >>> america's biggest corporations have a unique perspective on the economy. i recently had an opportunity to talk to the heads of three very different, very successful businesses in finance, in manufacturing, and
in a very smart analysis, npr pointed out romney has a five point stump speech. the first four points are actually identical to obama's stump speech. two, domestic energy, three, retraining programs, four, domestic. -- deficit reduction. on five they differ. i've long argued that romney is an intelligent man trapped in a party that has forced him to embrace extreme and impossible positions. one of his advisers had predict thad once the republican primaries were over, romney would erase the...
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i found it quite shocking that governor romney in a speech took a set of positions about the middle east that will box him in in a way the candidates don't do that. it was a rather tight commitment that mitt romney made. i was troubled by that. i don't think it matters. you want to create a structure where elected officials are not wholly dependent or not largely dependent on a given donor. you want someone to be in a situation where the donor comes back and that really want a certain policy and a certain candidate can say get out of my office. that money is fundamentally important your campaign and then you have a problem. >> you can say this is complicated. under our system of government, the tie to go to congress. the of the one selected by the people and came up with what they thought was a law that would prevent corruption. five justices said no, we have a better way to do that. hen you car in the area of something that is as murky as this, the members of the legislature or the members of the court will have a better sense of what the dangers are of corruption and how to avoid them.
i found it quite shocking that governor romney in a speech took a set of positions about the middle east that will box him in in a way the candidates don't do that. it was a rather tight commitment that mitt romney made. i was troubled by that. i don't think it matters. you want to create a structure where elected officials are not wholly dependent or not largely dependent on a given donor. you want someone to be in a situation where the donor comes back and that really want a certain policy...